Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Weighing In




The Shack. Quite the book. Has caused quite the stir, both in the area of unpredicted and incredible sales in Christian and non-Christian or secular markets, as well as causing a stir among pastors, theologians and regular joe-blow Christians. I don't joe-blow Christians in a derogatory way either, i just mean people who don't get paid to be a Christian.


Anyway, i read this book a while ago. Like i think in the summer. I read it, put it down, and didn't think to much more about it. It didn't blow my mind, it didn't shatter my illusions, it didn't break down any barriers between me and God, but it did keep me occupied for a few hours when i needed occupation.


I had heard (much like with anything that gains secular noteriety) that some Christians hate this book and see it as evil. In all honesty, after reading it, i didn't come away with anything like that. But due to my incredible reading speed, my comprehension sometimes suffers, so i decided to read it again. But i haven't yet had that chance. Cara just finished reading it though, and every time she came across something potentially scandelous, or something she didn't understand we talked about it. It was a good excersise, though sometimes i found myself trying to explain what i assume the author meant by some of the dialogue that he wrote.


Then the other night at a board of elders and wives supper, i found myself at a table full of people discussing "The Shack". I was asked for my input and i gave it. I was more concerned with the ambiguous blurring of fact or fiction. The preface, the novel itself, as well as the afterword left me wondering if this was to be taken as fact, or not. And so i told my table-mates that i was more concerned with whether or not the book was supposed to be true. No one else seemed to care about that, and in fact, they seemed suprised that the truth of the story was what bothered me more then any of the "theological" problems people like Mark Driscoll seem to have. (though you have to take some of the stuff Marky Mark here say's with a heavy grain of salt). Anyway my point is, i am more concerned with whether or not it is true. If Willy P. Young holds to the truth of his novel, then i might begin to be concerned. But if this novel is William's best take on a situation turned into a story to help people understand faith and God, then i am not as concerned. Even if the book is not totally 100% correct in it's theology or his understanding of God it has opened the door for us to have conversations with not-believers about God. Now you may argue that why would we want to promote a book that may or may not promote untruths or "heresies" about God. Well, we probably wouldn't. But we also don't have to be totally ignorant of things in our culture that are opening doors for us to talk about faith and God. We don't need to have book burning parties. This is a way for us to engage our culture and our world, and we should be excited for that opportunity, rather then spending all of our time on blogs dissing the book.

So is it true or is it not true. Thats whjat i want to know. Cause to me, that is most important.

5 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, it is a work of fiction - but I know more than a few people who have read it thinking it was meant to be a retelling of actual events.
I'm not sure if he blurs things on purpose or if he just does a poor job of telling people, "Hey, I made this story up."

5:04 PM  
Blogger drakefarmer said...

My concern with this book is not if it is a true story or fiction. William P. Young himself describes this book as a Parable (his own words duing his speach at AUC).

He puts a lot of emphases in the theology of his words. Though this is a fiction, it is his view of God and the faith.

That being said, if Young misrepresents God and the faith, it is a danger to come to it with open arms. To many believers have taken to it solely on the basis that it is a best-seller and with no discernment have shaped their theology based on the book.

Instead of knowing Scripture, they enlighten themselves to Young's version of God. And yes there is some quite obvious heresies in his writing...

Such as Motolism, Universalism and Palagianism (only to scratch the surface).

Some have argued, "what is the big idea?" The big idea if THEOLOGY, the proper way God has chosen to reveal himself, not how we would like to see him... This is my concern, and we must protect this, guard the good deposit and Paul says in 2 Tim 1:13-14. It is not that we shape this faith in a cool and new way, but we protect and contend for the gospel...

We must be like the Bereans in Acts 17 who heard the words of Paul and received it with joy, and then went home and tested what he said to the Scriptures daily. If the Bereans were praise for testing the words of the Apostle Paul, how much more should we test everything?

I would recommend one really good critique of this book by Tim Challies... he really pulls out the issues quite well: http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/the-shack-by-william-p-young.php

We need to take God seriously and ourselves lightly...

12:42 PM  
Blogger Shaolin said...

It's taken me some time to digest all this.
I would like to say first that "theology" is our best attempts at understanding God. Theology is not what i would call the proper way that God has chosen to reveal himself. Theology is our best understanding of God through the other ways that he has chosen to reveal himself - incarnation, scriptures, general revelation, experiance, even logic if i believe i remember the wesleyan quadrilateral correctly...

Anyway, for the sake of clarification, Drake, i wouldn't mind if you could point out examples from the book of Pelagianism - "a belief that human merit and effort could bring out salvation without divine grace", modalism - "a view that sees the trinity merely as three modes or manifestations of God, rather then three distinct persons" and universalism "the belief that all persons will be saved" (all definitions qouted from the "pocket dictionary of theological terms" - Grenz, Guretzki, & Nordling) It's not that i don't believe that these things might be there, but i want to see exactly where these conclusions are being drawn from...if you would oblige, if you wouldn't it's ok...i took a long time to reply

5:36 PM  
Blogger drakefarmer said...

I will hit you up on monday... It has been a CRAZY week!

11:58 PM  
Blogger drakefarmer said...

I know I said Monday, but Monday got away from me. Busy time of season, huh?

K, before I get into the theology of the book. Some people would argue that this book is simple a fiction and should not be taken seriously. Though, that may have some validity-William Young in his speech at AUC, himself claimed that he views this book as a parable and holds proper theology of God.

That being said, do people take theology from this. Here is one example of a review from amazon.com from one of its readers:

“The character of God in the book is from a point of
view I never would have imagined, or thought of. But all the answers and conversations are right on. It really changes the way I view God, and the way I can relate with him. My relationship is so much deeper now.”

There are hundred, maybe thousands of these. If that be the case, then this book could be a extreme danger if not dealt with properly.

Now to the theology... First Universalism:

“Those who love me come from every stream that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims, Democrats, Republicans and many who don't vote or are not part of any Sunday morning or religious institutions” (182).

Mack asks for clarification. “Does that mean...that all roads will lead to you?” “'Not at all,' smiled Jesus...'Most roads don't lead anywhere. What it does mean is that I will travel any road to find you'” (182).

While of course this does not clearly prove or disprove he is a universalist, though a close friend of Young said this:

"Who is the author? William P. Young, whom I have known for over a dozen years. We have discussed much theology together at a Christian “think tank.” About four years ago Paul embraced “Christian universalism,” and has defended this view on several occasions. While he frequently disavows “general universalism,” the idea that many roads lead to God, hehas affirmed his hope that all will be reconciled to God either this side of death or after death."

-http://theshackreview.com/content/SpurgeonFellowshipJournal.pdf

When it comes to Pelagianism, I would have to restate that it would probably be a semi-pelagianism.

“In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins
against me, but only some choose relationship” (225).

He emphasis on the chose and that the work of the cross was for all people and not for His elect. If that be the case, then Jesus did not die for specific sins, but that He died to make a way for people to be saved, and only those who choose Him are saved, not the ones He chooses.

The work is done in our efforts to choose and seek him out, read Romans 3:10-18. By no means can we seek out God, our hearts are outweighed by our sinful desire to do the complete opposite of what God wants.

Lastly in Modalism.

“Mack noticed the scars in her wrists, like those he now assumed Jesus also had on his” (95).

“Don’t ever think that what my son chose to do didn’t cost us dearly. Love always leaves a significant mark,” she stated softly and gently. “We were there together” (96).

“When we three spoke ourself into human existence as the Son of God, we became fully human. We also chose to embrace all the limitations that this entailed. Even though we have always been present in this created universe, we now became flesh and blood” (99).

I think the last quote makes it very clear that Young is pushing Modalism.

I would recommend that you read Tim Challies Review of this book:

http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/a-review-of-the-shack-download-it-here.php

Challies does such a great job in breaking this all down, and also hits some issues of the low view of God and the Trinity that Young brings and also the unfair attack on institution and hierarchy. I have only scratched the surface of the issue.

My issue again, is that if this misrepresents God, which can be defined as another God then Scripture. Should we then allow non-discerning bible illiterate people to read and be swayed by such a book.

Will people read the book? most likely, even if we give it a poor review. But we need to be contenders of the truth and guard the great deposit that was given us, defending the gospel and when someone preaches another gospel, we must at least spot the light of truth on it.

3:23 PM  

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